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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 19:37:38 GMT -5
I'm going to start out saying, that during the time that we were all working on trying to research things for the BTK case, JustWait2 and I came across a man that seemed to have information, that I felt only the killer would know. And I questioned him at every turn and kept on questioning him for a long time. The things he kept saying were things that seemed to all be fitting much too well into everything that was happening in the BTK case from day to day.
It wasn't until I read a little more on everything that Jack said, that he wasn't publishing on AMW, that I came to realize that the things he was saying were what the killer knew, but Jack knew them because he was seeing them, thru the killers eyes.
I want everyone here to understand this before they read all of the things that Jack said, before we knew who and where BTK actually was
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 19:38:34 GMT -5
Jack has given me his permission to let out a few more things. I think some have relavence to the issues that we are discussing, so here are some, I'll go thru some others and post them here as well, once I make sure that no names are anywhere in the threads:
BTK did not kill the Oteros alone!!! He had help, if BTK was even there for the killings, he did know those that did the killing, though, and most likely helped. I feel that the Oteros were hit and BTK was carried away with his new found desires with the female child. Something about the male child made him feel guilty and he placed a bag over his head not to shed the child's eyes from the horror but to not see the child's eyes and have feelings of guilt. It was for his own protection!
BTK left the home and went into the service, Air Force. He had a brother and a sister, the little girl was well taken care of and the boys ignored for the most part.
Something about adding ten times the power or something, 1949 is closer to the truth, may not be exact.
He and his brother both built the Ham Radio for a science project in high school. Girl friend was Patrina, not a true relationship. Railroads remind him of his mother and the bull.
He is very good with his hands and works on phones by taking the speaking part out. (crime scenes: RUSE) He knows electronics and has construction experience. He has money and could be influential in his community. He made his bones with the Oteros. He could of killed before them.
The police might know who it is but can not tie him to the case. People would be suprised to know who he is.
He uses disguises and works in a professional field, he is comfortable in income and has traveled to continue his murders.
He wants to go out on top, as a winner, smarter than the police, FBI and civilians. He watches the boards, has contacted several but is not any longer for fear of being caught. He feels that he has made it thirty years since the first killings and it has something special about this year. Any other BTK messages will be from copycats and admirers.
The wife or relatives will find the place where he hid the articles of murder for so many years. It will have been built in a hidden location or a safe (there was more after this sentence, but I don't find it relavent now).
He looks like the composite, graying hair, glasses, determined step when he walks, 5'9",170 lbs, blue eyes. We have to catch him now, time has run out.
He watches the boards, has contacted several but is not any longer for fear of being caught. He feels that he has made it thirty years since the first killings and it has something special about this year. Any other BTK messages will be from copycats and admirers.
The wife or relatives will find the place where he hid the articles of murder for so many years. It will have been built in a hidden location or a safe.
He could have made it as a cop! Not so sure. The cemetary is important and the building. He will be at the building tomorrow.
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 19:39:41 GMT -5
He was a very fit man. Trained in martial arts.
Yes, he travels and has murdered across the country and in other countries, that is how he has remained free or how he controls it. He has lived just across the line. Dewey? Tall grass, rolling plains, house on a hill, old neighborhood.
Family well off, his mother married across the tracks, family did not care for her husband.
THE YARD has nothing to do with a hospital! Is there a tall fence around this place? I just don't get it. White cars and trucks, tractors and dirt. Green pickup.
You feel me now, don't you? I AM IN YOUR HEAD! I see into your soul thru those eyes, You know what I mean. Last chance! It would be better for you to come clean and thumb your nose at the man, those dudes don't want you to. The Game is over and you won. Your appointment tomorrow is important but this is more important for you. Go out with the glory you deserve and so that you may recieve your proper recognition. The doctor knows what I mean.
There is a railroad near and river near it, he was in this area recently also.
a highway runs close to it and a road that splits into is on the other side of the river. Bridge and large strange structure across the river. He is reliving his 'finest moments'. Open field. 3 times ten brings power? 30 years? I am confused, what does this mean?
Numbers mean a lot to him, He wishes he could write poetry. Go northeast to find him
BTK is cornered, he is afraid to leave, yet he is at peace, confused.
Top floor of house, he likes to watch and think from second or third floor of his house, he stands and looks out the window constantly. End is near.
Don't know where that last one came from. Vian murder I assume. Do you suppose BTK went to the victims graves?
The Vian case was the wrong house, he was looking for someone else.
Looking at the photos that you sent me, I feel that he chose the houses because the doors are in a hidden type area except for the Fox and he entered thru the back window after walking up the alley. Fox was premeditated,
Vian was out of necessity. Vian is not the victims name, she has another name! Something with a bell.
he found her at Coleman
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 19:40:28 GMT -5
Did not put his momentos in deposit box, does not trust banks! Had his own hidden stash place he built himself.
This would cover his tracks working security and gain entry. The Otero woman would know him and let him in, trusting him. All fits. Still a hit though, I feel more than one involved. The man could have been hired by someone as a hit man and everythng got crazy but I doubt it.
However, I feel he worked at Coleman and would stand in the window in an upper floor window, watch the people below. I feel he worked with someone on the Oteros and than just started doing his own thing.
Certain key numbers trigger a reaction to murder his victims. That is why he was in a panic when he killed the Vian? woman. He could not find the right address that was given him and he had to make do.
Other than these differences, I feel that they have their man.
Garage with apartment, where he keeps his momentos, on the water. Water? Edge? Market,
I feel the momentos stay at one plave. The garage and apartment are not the primary residence. Could still own it Check all streets with Water and Edge, possible Market.
He knew of Vickie from the church, he has been there or was close by. Felt the baby was more like a doll and did not pay it much attention. House was easy. Hide in the shadows. Flashes. Flash! Check the curtains, look out the top window. All the cars dirty. Blue jeans, boots. Left DNA on the door.
Green and tan tool bag, phone tech to gain entrance, check the mouthpiece, no problem with line. Drive the car away to escape. Walk the rest. Someone knocks and leaves. No time to finish the fun. Vickie, slight pulse, braindead.
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 19:46:27 GMT -5
Large house on a hill? Red brick, trees, Ash? Watch from the window. 67214. Home is the Old Manor. Glasses, walks with crooked arm, 5'9", greying hair. Walks with determination, jaw set. teeth clenched. He is waiting for Ken. Outside the box. He thinks outside of the box. Eagle. Likes the river, watch it flow. He is against society people and wants to shame WPD.
He has a problem with what he considers to be those that are Wichita. Statue and cemetary means a lot to him. T means something else too. Double meanings to clues. One controls, other acts. One dark, one light. Stir the pot, false evidence. Oaklawn, Armstrong, water, garage apartment out of the box.
Green park, water, statue. West , finds them in the parks. Stalks them. Drives to comfort zone , has garage apartment inside the circle, lives outside. South of town. Knows red headed woman, keep it moving. Likes the coffee.
Ordinary guy, black and white checkered coat, 357 magnum, two murder kits, one brown breifcase, other black leather type satchel. brown loafers soft soles. Polaroid camera, 8mm film camera, cord and knife. Brown hair greying and thinning. LE has talked to him and cleared him.
Garage apartment with workshop below, apartment above, cinderblock. Suspect in other murder out of state. Camping equipment, 30:06 rifle, tent, canoe. Winston. Truck 1987. Field glasses. Watches the parks to find the victims. Stomach hurts. White gold ring left hand. Tatoo right arm B T K. He wants to kill again.
Look for male deaths as well and other female deaths recently. The last one will be the most important to him, it will be his ultimate message. Steeple, white trim, pointed above tree tops. bottom of hill. Winding road. Red brick. Blue shirt, patch. Gold color. Checks all parks, sits on the bench, friendly. Buy the child candy.
Show if needed, badge is for trouble, for control. Voice to control, gun to control. Someone close suspects him, does not like Ken. Ken knows BTK. Planted evidence by BTK proves it is not him. Ultimate game. County, State, City, revenge. Hand wash the clothes. No remorse. Green tree in the dead trees. Armstrong. Eagle.
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 19:48:48 GMT -5
Steeple may be at WSU or college. BTK looks out and can see this just above tree top level, not many live trees but a green tree in the middle. Steeple and tops of buildings, Yellow sign close by, Citgo? Other colors are red, white, gray.
I say steeple because it is a stange shape just above rooftops, the red I believe to be red brick buildings, The yellow sign is billbord size, The gray is the rooftops. this man also goes to a light colored brick building and large windows. He does enter this place. There is a security guard station on the inside of this building and he knows this guard.
Green tree in dead trees. Flagpoles? OK, We need to move back away from this spot up to a half mile away in all directions. Would be interested in any garage apartments in the surrounding area. Green garage, lighter color trim, not white. Outside stairs and inside stairs to apartment. Locked downstairs room. Workshop.
Society, rape?, revenge, knees hurt, bow to no one.
Yea, thou I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear not for I am the baddest motherf##### in the valley.
Born to kill, Dra Nang . Uluhrah!
The Lord is my shepard, I shall not want. Sacrifice for the blood. Cleanse. Mass in the morning. Monster watches remorse. Fly away like a bird. Free.
Call the doctor! CALL. Call the doctor. Salma. Dusk to dawn.
Pressure on my chest, out of breath. Worried. Too many imitaters. He can't write the book correctly. He rocks back and forth. Holds his head, run away, tell the story. hide, tell the story. Tell the story. Tell the story.
He forgot , forgot, forgot.
West Street. Cafe. Banana split
Needs to check it out, mistake!See the police, mistake!!! protect the mouth, mistake!!!! He wants the dispatcher know that he did not kill Melissa. He will kill his own victim to prove
Crooked arm, golf. Rises early. Watches sun rise, seperate, watches sunset park over water
Win the game, pressure on me
Today every day. Headache, eye hurts, sick stomach, chest hurts, no emotion, dead eyes.
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 19:51:12 GMT -5
If you go thru points in all of this Jack has been very accurate in many of them. I will try to go thru the points where he has been right on in his remote viewing.
Remote viewing was good enough for the CIA and it was good enough to use during the Gulf War, and the Army and Air Force taught courses in it. So it's good enough for me when it comes to what Jack was able to see for us, thru the killers eyes and we progressed thru our research on AMW
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 20:52:51 GMT -5
These are just some of the things that Jack said that were pretty much right on track. There are more and I will post them as I come across them as I'm reading
BTK left the home and went into the service, Air Force.
Something about adding ten times the power or something, 1949 is closer to the truth, may not be exact.
He is very good with his hands and works on phones by taking the speaking part out. (crime scenes: RUSE) He knows electronics and has construction experience.
He has money and could be influential in his community.
He made his bones with the Oteros. He could of killed before them. (This is something that I think he would have knowledge of even for working with ADT security)
He uses disguises and works in a professional field
He looks like the composite, graying hair, glasses, determined step when he walks, 5'9",170 lbs, blue eyes.
He could have made it as a cop!
Tall grass, rolling plains, house on a hill, old neighborhood.
a highway runs close to it and a road that splits into is on the other side of the river. Bridge and large strange structure across the river. He is reliving his 'finest moments'. Open field.
Numbers mean a lot to him, He wishes he could write poetry. Go northeast to find him
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 27, 2005 21:02:17 GMT -5
he found her at Coleman
This would cover his tracks working security and gain entry.
However, I feel he worked at Coleman and would stand in the window in an upper floor window, watch the people below.
Glasses, walks with crooked arm, 5'9", greying hair. Walks with determination, jaw set. teeth clenched. He is waiting for Ken. Outside the box. He thinks outside of the box. Eagle. Likes the river, watch it flow. He is against society people and wants to shame WPD.
The last one will be the most important to him, it will be his ultimate message. Steeple, white trim, pointed above tree tops. bottom of hill. Winding road. Red brick.
Blue shirt, patch. Gold color. Checks all parks, sits on the bench, friendly.
Show if needed, badge is for trouble, for control. Voice to control, gun to control. Someone close suspects him, does not like Ken. Ken knows BTK.
Planted evidence by BTK proves it is not him. Ultimate game. County, State, City, revenge. Hand wash the clothes. No remorse. Green tree in the dead trees. Armstrong. Eagle.
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Post by LadyBlue on Feb 28, 2005 14:43:49 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Jack Said[/glow]
Garage apartment with workshop below, apartment above, cinderblock. Suspect in other murder out of state. Camping equipment, 30:06 rifle, tent, canoe. Winston. Truck 1987. Field glasses. Watches the parks to find the victims. Stomach hurts. White gold ring left hand. Tatoo right arm B T K. He wants to kill again.
[glow=red,2,300]yepper5 in AMW said[/glow]
I saw him at a hardware store one time, he was buying rope, duct tape, venetian blinds and cereal. He had BTK tattooed on his arm. I never put two and two together.
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Post by lurkergirl on Mar 1, 2005 5:08:10 GMT -5
Who is Yepper5 talking about?  Do you have the dates when Jack gave the information? Very interesting! |
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Post by LadyBlue on Mar 1, 2005 5:25:48 GMT -5
Yeppers is talking about Dennis Rader, and Jack's comments were way before he knew the name Dennis Rader. I would need to look up the dates of when Jack actually gave certain details. And welcome...LOL.
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Post by LadyBlue on Mar 1, 2005 5:27:32 GMT -5
Thought I was the only one who couldn't sleep tonight.
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Post by lurkergirl on Mar 1, 2005 5:36:30 GMT -5
No, no, no... count me in... can't calm my mind down enough to sleep.... So I searched Google... after reading at AMW... and there you were... well the link to your boards... and here I am, reading and following links around...  About Yeppers... does D.R. has that tatoo? I have read his son's name starts with B and the daughter's with K... following your Jack's messages... I wonder about the T... creepy... |
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Post by LadyBlue on Mar 1, 2005 12:37:19 GMT -5
I know, and I wonder about that T also, what could it represent for him, because he does apparently have that tattoo on his arm BTK. I haven't gotten very far in researching that one yet. If you find anything please let me know, and I will do the same and thanks.
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Post by lurkergirl on Mar 3, 2005 13:45:18 GMT -5
Thank you, and I will let you know if I find anything...
I haven't heard anything else about that tatoo... if he has it, I can't image people around him not thinking something was wrong with him... just creepy!
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Post by LadyBlue on Mar 3, 2005 16:47:09 GMT -5
Well he has two children, one is Brian I think and the other is Kelli, and we haven't come up with the reason he would have had that T on there yet, but I'm sure sooner or later someone will.
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Post by qcstar on Mar 3, 2005 18:26:32 GMT -5
Does he have a middle name starting with the letter "T", or one of his relatives that has a name that starts with the letter "T"?
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Post by LadyBlue on Mar 3, 2005 19:15:04 GMT -5
We are trying desperately to find that out, will let you know when we have it.
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Post by tk on Mar 4, 2005 17:41:52 GMT -5
I find Jack's viewing very interesting. If you look at the Otero murders and then all the others, there are some similarities but some glaring differences. All others after the Otero family were women and young children only. And even then the kids were not really part of the act and in some cases the kids were put into other rooms by the BTK killer. The killing of the Otero children was deliberate and not an accident. The Otero family was not your average family, they were all skilled in defense yet there was little evidence of defense. It has always been my thought that there was more than one person to do this. I believe that it will come out that he may have been involved some how but he was not alone and it appears that this is what Jack saw.
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Post by gestalt on Mar 5, 2005 0:41:19 GMT -5
OK There is a debate on who the red-headed woman would be in Jack's viewing. Go to Crime Library because there are quite a few articles--special section on BTK. I read in an article that DR's wife is: a tall redhead as an adjunct to the use of Psychics in Police Investigations: there is a very good article here: www.tali.org/texasinv/still.htmFYI |
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Post by LadyBlue on Mar 5, 2005 11:46:39 GMT -5
Thanks, will do.
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Post by qcstar on Mar 5, 2005 19:34:33 GMT -5
Could it be just this: "Bind, Torture, Kill"
It may not have anything to do with people's names, am I completely wrong?
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Post by LadyBlue on Mar 6, 2005 0:23:43 GMT -5
Well, you're not completely wrong, but I don't know about you, if I were trying to hide from the cops for 31 years, about the last damn thing I would do, is have BTK tattooed on my arm....LOL. I mean I have a large rose tattooed on my right boob but, I didn't kill anyone and it doesn't stand for anything but a rose. BTK obviously wanted someone to question it, and I'm sure if they did he would have an answer ready. At least one would hope so.
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