Liberty German and Abigail Williams - Delphi Double Murders

[LadyBlue]

This case has haunted me for months. I've looked at the suspects photo that Libby's snapped on her phone and also the voice that said "down the hill". I was going to place it in the "WHY HAVE THESE CRIMES NOT BEEN SOLVED", then I decided that since I'd never added them to the missing (because I normally wait a few days to see if each case turns out to be a happy homecoming), I would put it here in located.

Why is this man so elusive. How does no one recognize him?

Granted it's a blurry picture, but SOMEONE has to recognize him. Someone has to know that he was out for a stroll that day in the woods. In the picture of him walking straight forward, right at the very edge of the picture about where if someone was walking with him, there's just a trace of a dark coat, about waist high,
judging from about where the man that we sees coat ends. I'm only able to find one photo of it that hasn't been cropped by LE. Other pictures have been blurred way out at just the right hand side of the picture, or totally cropped out.

Please click on the link below for the picture that blinks back and forth as if he's walking, you'll need to scroll down a little ways to see it.

It shows on a picture on this website - also his research and opinion on the case
robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/updated-april-25-sexually-motivated-double-homicide-in-delphi-indiana-february-13-2017-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/

I believe that there was someone walking with him that day. I don't think the other man could even have been identified because his face didn't show and the object of the "threat" to the girls was the man she caught on camera.

I asked myself why would this be in there were two men, why one would seem more of a threat than the other. The only answer that I can come up with, if it was a woman,
or if it was a teenager. My bet would be a teenager. And I swear I see just the edge of a coat.

If you see what I see please speak up.

The website - Inside the Investigation is at the link below.
www.theindychannel.com/longform/delphi-the-investigation

[LadyBlue]

Walk in Libby and Abby's shoes:

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[LadyBlue]

After looking at the actual photo taken he is walking alone, so I just debunked by own theory. However, if you watch this video of the precise locations of Abby and Libby AND the man, they were still quite a ways out on the bridge. In the picture of Abby that Libby took, no one is on that expanse of bridge behind her. So, where was he?

[LadyBlue]

I'm still going thru all the info that I can find on this case, and I thought that my observations on the picture had to be wrong, but there isn't any other picture of the man that's been shown to us of the man further back on the track. So, my observation of a possible second person still stands.

To add to my theory are the statements made in this presser about the voice that was recorded and also as pointed out, we are only seeing a small portion of the picture of the man, and they aren't even certain that the voice we hear IS that man speaking.

I think Libby shoved her phone in her pocket after she recorded whoever other than the man on the bridge, so we wouldn't know which man was speaking, we would only hear the audio. If my statement wasn't true, then LE would tell us for certain that the voice WAS indeed the man they are showing. They are also careful to tell us that he may not be the killer, but that person more than likely PARTICIPATED in the killings.

Also the fact that they enhanced the photo, means to me that more than likely had they not enhanced it and bring it forward and closer up to us, we would have seen another person on that small piece of video. Perhaps that other person wan't recognizable, appeared to be a juvenile, or as I've stated before, it was only a tiny portion of the person that could be seen walking along with the man we do see.

The Press Conference:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZcHfgbOcKo

They also can't say for certain that one of the girls hadn't been on social media and told someone to meet them there, or that they would be there that day on or near the bridge. Nothing, as they say is off the table. As we all found out from the Naomi Jones murder in Florida, social media DID play a huge role in her murder.

They need to give out more information now. It's been too long, and while I understand the importance of keeping thing close to the vest, it's not helping solve this horrible act.

One more thing, HE HASN'T STOPPED, THEY HAVEN'T STOPPED. Where did they go?

[LadyBlue]

He knows this bridge, he's walked it before, he's too steady on it, hands in both pockets, then "DOWN THE HILL". He had gone down that hill before or he would have never suggested it. So, from what we know, what's accessible from down the hill?

The river, woods, and then much further on the cemetery. Had he been to the cemetery? Does he have someone in his family buried there? It's a Masonic Cemetery,
but from the bridge the cemetery wouldn't be all that accessible. Did someone in his family work on the railroad?

[LadyBlue]

This is the origional picture that was released by LE, this one shows on the left hand side, the corner of what I think is a black or navy jacket edge, worn by another person:

In this next video, at around the 1:37 mark, just a tad before that, the reporter actually goes "down the hill", it doesn't seem to be a long decent. It's just interesting to see the actual hill and someone going down it:

[LadyBlue]

The thing that's puzzling me is, on these two pics side by side, notice the boards under the suspects feet. On the right picture, his right foot is down on the board, his left foot is in the air. Now, look closely at the pic on the left, he's in the same spot,
same board, the foot that was in the air comes down on the same board that his right foot was on in the right hand picture. He never takes another step, he's almost frozen in time right there, with his right foot in mid air and his left one turned in, as if he's attempting to side step someone. His entire body is tilted. Someone WAS standing there, and that's the black piece of cloth that I see in the pictures that I've been referring to.

[LadyBlue]

In this video, you'll see that what everyone has said wasn't possible, that someone could drive down under the bridge. This couple walked across the bridge filming, and even they were surprised that the road was actually there.

[LadyBlue]

In the helicopter video starting at the 13:40 mark and a little further on,
at the 13:57 mark, you'll see the road that goes under the bridge. The police cars were down there.
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154523478509092&id=65323249091&_rdr

[LadyBlue]

Today I'm going to be outlining the "said" rumors from family, people in the search party, LE leaks, and people posting what they saw on the site of a family member, and none of the family members said that the information was false. This is all from the link that I posted from Robert Lindsay's blog. I've found that in many cases, rumors turn out to be truth.

Abbie did indeed survive the initial attack and died at some point later on on 2-14. The thing we do not know is how long she survived after she was attacked.

Rumors from the search party stated that the girls had to have been moved since the dump site found on 2-14 had been searched on 2-13. The searchers were adamant that they had searched the dump site thoroughly on 2-13.

In addition, there is now excellent information that the girls were removed immediately to a structure nearby where they were tortured, raped and homicidally attacked over a period of at at least ~12 hours. LE now accepts that they were removed and returned to site. Also they had to be returned after 2:30 AM when all of the searchers left and no doubt before dawn in the morning, as returning them in the daylight would have been stupid and crazy. Dawn was at 7 AM that day, so they had to be returned between 2:30-7 AM.

There is some brutal audio and perhaps video that Liberty recorded on her phone. Some of the audio was recorded right before the abduction, and there is 40 minutes after that. The audio right after the recording of the man saying, “Down the hill,” records the girls screaming.

The girls were not attacked much at the dump site, as the dump site was described as pristine.

The FBI interviewed a man who had property on the south side of the creek. They asked about his gun(s), his vehicle(s), and whether there were any outbuildings. From this we can conclude that the FBI believes that a gun, a vehicle and an outbuilding were used in this crime.

There is indeed a voice recording of Unsub saying, “Go down the hill.” The next thing you hear on the tape is the girls screaming. This is part of an audiotape heroically recorded by Libby by turning on the recorder on her phone as the girls were being abducted. It has also been implied, terrifyingly, that the audio is actually a recording of the rapes and murders. Someone posted this on a site that the families frequent, and no family members asked to take it down for being inaccurate, so there is something to it.

There is talk of a car that can be barely seen in the lower left of the photo of Abbie on the bridge below the bridge. No one even knows if that is a car or not in that photo. Many people say they cannot make out a vehicle in the photo.

That road is a very little-used road that almost no one has even heard of, and it is quite hard to get to. It appears to have been a road used by workers to maintain the bridge. A new rumor says that LE believes that the killer’s vehicle was parked at a trail head on the south side.

Unsub may well have scratch marks if Libby fought like a wildcat, which it seems she did. It addition, the throat slitting attack on Libby was much more severe than on Abbie and it was Libby who was beaten to the point where she was nearly unrecognizable, not both girls. The horrendous beating and the vicious throat attack imply that the killer was enraged with Libby for fighting back so hard, so he attacked her viciously in response.

These girls have no gunshot wounds.

The very first rumors from the family members said both girls had been raped. However, a new rumor says that neither girl was raped and instead both girls were sexually mutilated, which is in fact much worse than simply being raped which is bad enough. We can only imagine what sort of mutilation was involved here. The very first statements by family members before this was even reported in the media was that the girls were “raped and mutilated.

Much more here, but in my opinion too much speculation, and some of it I don't even want to put into print.
robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/updated-april-25-sexually-motivated-double-homicide-in-delphi-indiana-february-13-2017-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/

[LadyBlue]

What exactly is it about the man shown to us by LE that puts him apart from anyone else? I've stared at the pictures, looked at the way his hands are in his pockets, and the clothes he's wearing, but that doesn't distinguish him from the majority of men here in Northwestern PA, or really anyone around the country. I don't get it.

And moreover, what did Libby see that caused her to snap a picture of him right then?

Surely there has to be more to go on than the scant information that we have been given.

[LadyBlue]

FEBRUARY 21, 2017 - House approves bill that calls for DNA swabs to be taken from those arrested for felonies

Currently, Indiana law only allows for the swab to be taken after a felony conviction.
fox59.com/2017/02/21/house-approves-bill-that-calls-for-dna-swabs-to-be-taken-from-those-arrested-for-felonies/

We had better hope and pray that someone recognizes this guy, because this point right here may be why the suspect hasn't been caught. And why they don't have his DNA.

[LadyBlue]

Indiana does not collect DNA from sex offenders as a condition of probation or parole.
www.interstatecompact.org/portals/0/library/surveys/dnasurvey.pdf

[LadyBlue]

I'm going to be looking for hiking biking trail deaths around the country that have yet to be solved. This wasn't this guys first rodeo.

Kaylene Roedel


Johnstown, Cambria County, Pa. - Police in Johnstown are investigating after a body was found along a path right off of a popular hiking and biking trail on Sunday.

Authorities say Kaylene Roedel was the woman found dead. It happened on the Honan Avenue Hiking and Biking Trail.

Police tell us the 26-year-old Blairsville woman had been reported missing.

"This incident occurred yesterday around 4:30 in the afternoon when her body was found by hikers on the Honan Trail," Cambria County Coroner Jeff Lees confirms.

Lees tells us that no car was found around the trail. He is ruling Roedel's death suspicious.

"We're going to be waiting for microscopic and toxicology studies to be completed and that's going to take approximately 4 to 6 weeks."

Last summer was a proud moment for members of the Laurel Highlands Historical Village as they opened the new and improved hiking trail.

The group says the community enjoys it, but the trail has had several problems including vandalism.

The historical village tells WTAJ that they no longer have cameras on the trail for police to reference for any crime. Cameras were loaned to them to use for three months.

The coroner is asking for the public to be cautious, "I think common sense applies. Any time you're walking on a trail, you should use caution. As soon as we have information we'll make it available to the public."
www.wearecentralpa.com/news/local-news/woman-found-dead-along-hiking-trail/527603007

Honan Avenue Community Hiking and Biking Trail
www.alltrails.com/trail/us/pennsylvania/honan-avenue-community-hiking-and-biking-trail

But the cause and manner of 26-year-old Kaylene Roedel’s death remains a mystery that might take a month or more to solve, Coroner Jeffrey Lees said.

“An autopsy was conducted (Monday) morning, but we are now awaiting microscopic and toxicology studies to be completed,” he said, noting that it could be up to six weeks before those results arrive.

Toxicology screens are used to show whether drugs or alcohol were in an individual’s system and microscopic testing can be used to further examine tissue and internal organs, Lees said.

“We’re treating it as suspicious, as we do with all deaths, until proven otherwise,” he said, adding that he couldn’t elaborate on other details about the incident because it is an ongoing police investigation.

Lees confirmed the Blairsville-area woman was found in an area just off the Honan Avenue Trail.
www.tribdem.com/news/coroner-releases-id-of-woman-found-dead-on-johnstown-trail/article_b380e678-5db8-11e6-8694-675f5f794c6b.html

I can find no other info as to COD or TOX and this happened on AUG 8 2016

[LadyBlue]

Cast into the path of a killer - March 10, 2007 - Washington State - Pinnacle Lake trail

Did the two women see something they shouldn't have? Did they stumble upon a marijuana or meth operation? Is there a psycho survivalist loose in the forests of the Cascades? Why was there no attempt to hide the bodies?

Based on the time Mary and Susanna are believed to have started their hike, Stodden estimates Mary left the house around 8 a.m. and picked up Susanna at her apartment. The drive would have taken them about two hours.

The detectives said Mary and Susanna were found dead on a trail leading to Pinnacle Lake, which was southeast of Pilchuck. All day, Stodden recalls, he thought they were hiking Pilchuck.

The wounds were not immediately identifiable.

According to one news account, this other couple didn't know at first what they were seeing. They thought maybe they had come upon two people squatting or hunched over along the trail. As they got closer, they realized the two were dead. The couple, for reasons not clear, couldn't discern the victims' gender.

Investigators soon after confirmed the women died of gunshot wounds but would not say how many shots were fired, what caliber weapon, what part of the head or whether the shots were point-blank or long range. The Snohomish County Sheriff's Office, the agency in charge of the investigation, has since refused to disclose, or even confirm, other details.

The optimistic speculation is that detectives have identified a suspect -- or suspects -- but still need evidence to ensure a conviction. The more skeptical believe detectives have hit a dead end.

"I understand the frustration," says sheriff's spokeswoman Rebecca Hover. "Because we don't have new information to release doesn't mean we're not working on it. We definitely are."

The murders occurred on public lands, part of the 1.7 million-acre Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest, which stretches from Mt. Rainier to Canada. The Forest Service patrols the region, but major investigations fall to the counties, many of which are inexperienced in remote terrain. The main reason is that homicides in the wilderness don't happen very often. Investigators also run up against the challenges of weather and accessibility -- lugging equipment to locations reachable only by foot, for example -- and scouring the infinite number of escape routes.

He's still out there......
articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/10/nation/na-trail10

Deputy Rich Niebusch has said the women possibly died in a random attack and urged anyone hiking on nearby trails to be extra cautious.
usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-15-trail-killings_x.htm

[LadyBlue]

I realize that LE in Indiana don't feel that the murders of Elizabeth J. Collins, 8 and Lyric R. Cook, 10 of Iowa are connected but I'm not so sure they aren't. What would make them so firm in their belief that they aren't? I know they know so much more than we do, and it may be the way they were killed that doesn't match, but over the years of looking into homicides I've found that MO's change. It seems that the suspect just knows way too much about forensics today to keep their MO's constant.

They stay 10 steps ahead of the game of cat and mouse, them against LE. In the case of Libby and Abby, they may have given him more of a fight than he was bargaining for thus the escalation in anger and abuse of the victims. Why isn't this at least a possibility? They are so adamant and forward in their belief that they aren't connected. What part of this am I not understanding?

I'm not finding any deaths of young teens that even come close to what we are hearing that happened to Abby and Libby, and I know this isn't this monsters first rodeo, not with as much precision and stealth as it took to take those two girls off a structure like the Monon Bridge in broad daylight with the amount of people that are normally around that area at the time this happened. This guys a big risk taker. Of anything that should be put in his profile, that should be the top notation. And he's evil mean. He has to have prior convictions for battery and abuse of whatever women that he's come into contact with. No one just gets up one day and decides to do what he did to the girls out of the blue.

Same with Lyric and Elizabeth's death, even though we don't know the COD in that case either but it can't be good. In the Evansville LE profile of their killer this is what they state:

It is believed that the offender used “quiet coercion” to gain the girls’ trust

The suspect may have been in a stressful situation in July 2012, perhaps related to legal troubles, marital issues, employment problems, financial strain, or mental health problems

The suspect may avoid talking about the case, but is likely following reports from the media

This person may have attempted to abduct children or adults in the past

After the girls’ disappearance, the suspect might have changed his or her appearance, like changing hair style or facial hair.

The offender may also have altered his or her vehicle with a new paint job or re-upholstery

It seems to me that all of those things could also be the profile of Abby and Libby's killer, with the acception that I think the way our guy took the girls was fast. He didn't care to cajole them into trust. LE hasn't yet given us a profile of the Delphi killer but my hunch is it will almost mirror the Iowa case, which may be why they are holding off giving the public one. And they need to be very stealthy themselves when they do give us a profile so as not to give out too much info, such as if they say anything about a vehicle being altered that would give us a clue that one was actually used.

I really don't want this case to grow cold like the one in Iowa, but unless LE already has someone on their radar, it surely will and that saddens me more than I'm able to express in mere words.

[LadyBlue]

Dec 7, 2012 - I posted this picture of where Lyric and Lizzy were located:

With what we do know in this case, it's so familiar to me, the looks of the location of Libby and Abby.

[LadyBlue]

Sarah

Kathryn

FBI looks for new evidence in 1994 unsolved murders of two teen girls

Sarah Rae Boehm & Kathryn Menendez - On Aug. 21, 1994, 17-year-old Kathryn Menendez was last seen in Alliance. Four days later, her naked body was found on an oil well access road near the Berlin Reservoir. The FBI said she was strangled.

Then on Nov. 4, 1994, the unclothed remains of another teen girl were discovered about a half mile away. The victim was identified using DNA in 2003 as 14-year-old Sarah Rae Boehm, who was reported missing from Beaver County, Pennsylvania.

"You're always concerned that that person who did that is still out walking around, and with them being unidentified, you're always concerned have they committed other crimes," said Lt. Greg Johnson, with the Portage County Sheriff's Office.

The FBI said they do not know if the two murders are connected.
www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/kathryn-menendez

[LadyBlue]

As I stated before, I'll be putting possible connections here because one never knows what could apply to the case. Wondering if this guy has been looked into. He was put on house arrest but I know those ankle monitors can be taken off or bypassed which makes this situation even more troubling.

David Wise was sentenced to home detention after he was convicted of charges related to drugging and raping his wife. (Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department)
www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-indianapolis-rape-sentence-20140519-story.html

1 h 14 min (77.2 mi) via I-65 N from Indianapolis to Delphi

Wise was charged in 2011. Under Eisgruber's sentence, Wise will wear a GPS device to monitor where he is, and will only be allowed to be at home and at work, with limited travel allowances.
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-judge-under-fire-after-giving-no-jail-time-rapist-n115216

[LadyBlue]

This guy lives 3 hours away but the way Indiana handles some rape cases is just ridiculous, wtf??

Porter was sentenced to eight years at the Indiana Department of Corrections (and given credit for 31 days served) with five years of that sentence suspended to probation. Porter “shall serve 3 years on electronic monitoring in lieu of incarceration” and, after completing as little as two years of probation, it “may become unsupervised”, meaning that he would not even be required to regularly meet with a probation officer.
mitchellnews.net/2013/01/rapist-jeffrey-dean-porter-31-days-jail-house-arrest-mitchell/

[LadyBlue]

Benjamin Farson, a 29 year old Sheriff’s Deputy with Indiana’s Marion

County Sheriff Department, was arrested, 27 September 2012, on seven counts of felony possession and distribution of child pornography. He was trading in the rape of toddlers.

In a deal, Farson pleaded guilty to three counts of child pornography possession in exchange and was sentenced, 12 August 2015, to to 76 days in jail and 427 days home arrest per count to be served concurrently for a total about 6 months in jail and 3.5 years home arrest. The sheriff’s office terminated Farson upon his arrest. Farson was free on bail pending trial and is a registered sex offender.
medium.com/@lorihandrahan2/law-enforcement-arrested-for-trading-in-child-rape-ece48164430f

[LadyBlue]

I've stated that I feel that the suspect in Abby and Libby's murders is around early to mid 50's, which would make him in his 30's in 1988. There was a case back then close to Ft Wayne, IN of an 8 year old girl named April Tinsley who was suppose to get together and play with two of her friends. A witness later described seeing Tinsley forced into a battered blue pickup by a white man in his 30s. On April 4th, her body was found, murdered, but much more than that, this killer reminds me of the sadistic evil man that killed Abby and Libby and possibly even Lizzy and Lyric. In this Crime Watch Daily interview on April's case, you won't believe just how sadistic this killer has become, and how he's taunting authorities. I'm so afraid Abby and Libby's killer is the same man.
crimewatchdaily.com/2016/05/02/young-girl-murdered-police-receive-series-of-disturbing-taunts/