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Post by LadyBlue on Jul 5, 2005 10:25:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Dru Sjodin's mother says support needed for tough sex offender laws[/glow] FARGO, N.D. -- The mother of slain University of North Dakota student Dru Sjodin says people need to support lawmakers who are trying to pass legislation to better track sex offenders.
Linda Walker, of Pequot Lakes, Minn., said she understands the pain of the family of 8-year-old Shasta Groene, an Idaho girl found over the weekend with a registered sex offender from Fargo.
"You feel the heartache and the pain," Linda Walker said Sunday. "It's something you don't want anyone else to go through."
Shasta Groene and her brother Dylan, 9, had been missing since May 16 when the bludgeoned bodies of their mother, her boyfriend and an older brother were found in their rural Coeur d'Alene home.
Dylan is feared dead, too, Idaho officials said Sunday.
Duncan was being held on a kidnapping charge in Idaho. He was charged in March with molesting a 6-year-old boy in Minnesota.
Walker's daughter was kidnapped from Grand Forks in November 2003 and found dead near Crookston, Minn. the next April. Twice-convicted sex offender Alfonso Rodriguez Jr., 52, faces federal charges of kidnapping and killing the University of North Dakota student.
This summer, the Justice Department plans to devote a national Internet site to state-by-state information on sex offenders. It will be designed to allow someone to do a national search online to determine whether an individual who has been convicted in one state has moved to another.
Walker said federal money needs to be behind the effort for it to be effective.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., introduced similar legislation, named "Dru's Law," to create a national database. He said last month he would continue to push other portions of the bill, including notification for local authorities when high-risk sex offenders are released from prison.
Walker also supports legislation introduced recently by Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. The bill updates the nation's sex offender registration and community notification law, which is named after Jacob Wetterling, a Minnesota child kidnapped in 1989.
Highlights of the legislation include requiring a first-time sex offender to wear a tracking device for the duration of their supervised release and requiring a second-time offender to wear the device for their lifetime. It also establishes a sex offender DNA database.
"It's all about our kids," Walker said. "This is about Shasta and Dylan and all the children who have been taken away from us needlessly and senselessly."
While she doesn't think Duncan should have been allowed to post bail on charges that he molested a 6-year-old boy in Detroit Lakes, Minn., Walker refuses to point fingers at law enforcement or the judicial system.
The responsibility for keeping sex offenders off the streets lies with the public.
"It's our job as voters to make our lawmakers knowledgeable on our demands for what we want for our community," she said. "It's about the rights of our children."
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Post by LadyBlue on Jul 5, 2005 10:45:40 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Human Remains Found: Dylan and Shasta Groene Update, July 4, 2005[/glow] Human remains were found in western Montana today which might be the body of Dylan Groene. Authorities are not saying why they were searching that area, and are not speculating further. The remains are being sent to an FBI laboratory for analysis, a process that should take about three days. Joseph Edward Duncan, in whose company 8-year-old Shasta was found early Saturday morning, faces his first court appearance tomorrow. So far he's been charged with kidnapping and being a fugitive from justice. He's still refusing to cooperate, and there seems to be no direct link between him and the murder victims. On the subject of questioning Shasta, Kootenai County Sheriff's Captain Ben Wolfinger said, "It's a slow process ... We're taking that very slowly" -- not, obviously, the strategy of somebody who has any expectation of finding Dylan alive. Authorities have asked Steve Groene, Shasta's father, not to ask her anything about what happened. Just for the record: There's a lot of information making the rounds about Duncan, including very detailed accounts of his life, his past crimes, and his writings. I happen to believe there's a fuzzy line sometimes between news analysis and morbid fascination, and I've already seen a number of sites crossing that line with Joseph Duncan. I'll be covering all aspects of the Groene case, but I don't need page views badly enough to write about Joseph Duncan in depth. I've listed a few links below, followed by a Google search box. crime.allinfoabout.com/news/groene/groene070405.html
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Post by LadyBlue on Jul 5, 2005 10:51:13 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Fact Sheet: The Murders of Brenda Groene, Slade Groene and Mark McKenzie, and the Disappearance of Dylan and Shasta Groene (June 29, 2005)[/glow] The three murder victims (Brenda Groene, age 40, her son Slade Groene, age 13, and Brenda's 37-year-old boyfriend Mark McKenzie) and the two missing children Dylan and Shasta Groene, 9 and 8 respectively) were last seen on the evening of May 15, at a barbecue at their lower-middle class home just outside of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho home. The three victims were found in the home on the evening of May 16, tied up and killed by blunt force trauma to the head. The Sheriff's Department will not disclose the object used to kill them, but the coronor's office revealed it "was used to kill the victims quickly." The coronor's office revealed the three murder victims were found in the same area of the house, but not together. Groene is pronounced GROW-nee. A toxicology report says that traces of methamphetamine were found in the bodies of Brenda and Mark. Brenda and her family are said to have been "involved with" drugs and petty crime. Steven and Brenda Groene were married from 1986 to 2001, and had five children: Vance, age 20 (who has a juvenile record), Jesse, age 18, currently in jail on burglary charges, Slade, Dylan and Shasta. Mark McKenzie is also Brenda's cousin. Dylan goes by the nickname of "D.J." The three victims had been bound with Zip Ties, an item sold at a local Lowes hardware store. The FBI interviewed customers who bought the item at Lowes. Since Kootenai County Sheriff Rocky Watson has previously said that the murders must have been planned in advance since "the item used to tie them up was not in the house... [The killer] must have brought it with him," there's no certainty that the ZIp Ties used were in fact purchased at Lowes. The sheriff's department believes there was more than one killer (because the victims were tied up first), and that the victims knew the killers (because there was no sign of forced entry). The Sheriff's Department will not disclose when they believe the victims were killed. Steven Groene is not considered a suspect or even a person of interest, though he did argue with Brenda a couple of days before the murders over visitation rights. He has no alibi for the probable time of the murders (he says he was asleep between 10pm on May 15 and 6am on May 16), and he failed parts of his polygraph test (which the sheriff's depart is at least officially attributing to stress). On May 22, Steven told Fox News's Geraldo Rivera that police consider him a suspect because he failed part of the polygraph test, he has no solid alibi. In an open plea to the children's abductors shortly after the murders, Steven said "They had nothing to do with any of this" without elaborating about what "any of this" referred to. Later on, in a Father's Day meaage, he explained that he'd meant "They were innocent victims in this, as I'm sure Slade was also" -- which still seems to imply Brenda and Mark were not innocent victims, and suggesting he knows something that isn't being made public. Federal authorities have offered a $100,000 reward for the safe return of Dylan and Shasta, or for information leading to the arrest of their abductors. A neighbor who was at the barbecue, Robert Roy Lutner, was at one point named as a person of interest, but has been cleared. Investigators have completed their search through 800 tons of garbage at the Kootenai County land fill, where dumpsters located near the Groene home are emptied, finding no clues. They were hoping to find physical evidence such as weapons or bloody clothing, but weren't expecting to find bodies. Preliminary DNA testing of the blood found at the the murder scene turned up none belonging to Dylan and Shasta, indicating at the very least that they probably weren't harmed at the home -- however, additional blood is being analyzed at the FBI's forensic lab in Quantico, Virginia. All fingerprints analyzed at the scene have been determined to belong to the occupants of the home -- however, addition fingerprint evidence is being analyzed at Quantico. The Amber Alert has been withdrawn because of the amount of time that's passed since the children disappeared and the lack of new significant leads. May 30, police in northeastern Oregon and south-eastern Washington were ordered to "be on the lookout" for a blue pickup that might have contained the children. This has been determined to be a false lead.
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Post by LadyBlue on Jul 5, 2005 10:56:02 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]More Of Joe's Blogging[/glow] My blog entries lately are erratic and full of a lot of B.S., for that I apologize.
I am just trying to put down what is in my head, regardless. As far as "taking people with me" well, I don't know if that is right or wrong. In fact, I don't know much any more what right and wrong even is. My view is either everything is right (in some regard) or everything is wrong (in some other regard). The question (one I am struggling with at this point) is, "Does it matter?"
Does anything matter? My mother is crying right now, because her son is in trouble again. She tried to raise a good son, and she knows her son has a good heart, so why does he do these things? She is probably more hurt and confused than me. Does it matter? It hurts me to know these things, but DOES IT MATTER???
A hundred years from now, all my mothers pain will be forgotten, and other mothers will cry for there sons. A million years from now there probably won't be any mothers (at least not like we know).
I have feelings, in fact I think I must be more sensitive than most people because I seem to feel more than they do, at least more than what they openly express. I feel for the starving children and families in the world, others say, "Oh, that's too bad, but I can't do anything so..."
I wish I could be more honest about my feelings, but those demons made sure I'd never be able to do that. I might not know if it matters, but just in case, I am working on an encrypted journal that is hundreds of times more frank than this blog could ever be (that's why I keep it encrypted).
I figure in 30 years or more we will have the technology to easily crack the encryption (currently very un-crackable, PGP) and then the world will know who I really was, and what I really did, and what I really thought. Also, maybe then they will understand that despite my actions, I'm not a bad person, I just have a disease contracted from society, and it hurts a lot.
I hope to complete this journal before I die (soon) or turn myself in (I still might do that, I think it is the right thing, but of course, I'm not sure). Speak of being sure; I wish I could be sure about my thoughts. But right now the only thing I'm sure about is that I'm sure about nothing. It is not a good position to be in considering my circumstances (being a felony fugitive and all).
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Post by LadyBlue on Jul 5, 2005 11:00:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]The Demons Have Taken Over--Blogging[/glow] Thanks for the comments. As far as letting God take care of the Demons, too late. They've locked up the "Happy Joe" person in the same dungeon that "Happy Joe" kept them in for so many years. Now they are loose and I am very afraid. From now on I may refer to "Happy Joe" as "Jet" (me) and the demons as "The Bogeyman." If you are familiar with me or even my fifthnail website then you will understand the names.
I have been asking God to help defeat the demons. In fact, last night I was on my knees begging him, crying out loud to him, to help me. He didn't answer, again. The problem is I am loosing my religion. I don't accept anything at face value, not even my own thoughts. So when I start having religious convictions I question the source.
And in my current situation I figure I am under a lot of stress, and there are perfectly natural human mechanisms that account for all religious experiences. The demons (if that's what they/it are/is--I use the term for mere convenience) have convinced me that I should at least question my religious beliefs, (this makes sense, otherwise I would believe anything) and that is how they got the key to the dungeon, and trapped me inside.
To be more specific, I am scared, alone, and confused, and my reaction is to strike out toward the perceived source of my misery, society. My intent is to harm society as much as I can, then die. As for the "Happy Joe" (Jet), well he was just a dream. The bogeyman was alive and happy long before Happy Joe. I was in prison for over 18 years, since the age of 17. As an adult all I knew was the oppression of incarceration.
All those years I dreamed of getting out...And getting even. Instead, I got out and I got even, but did not get caught. So, I got even again, and again did not get caught. So, I figured, well, I got even twice (actually more, but that's here nor there), even if I'm the only one who knows, so now what? Well that was when the "Happy Joe" dream started.
I met a bunch of really great people, the kind of people I didn't even know existed, but here they were, bunches of them, my neighbors, my landlords, my professors, my coworkers, and they were all good people, who were willing to give me a chance despite my past. They were willing to accept me and be my friend, something that was new for me, having been betrayed by many "friends" and even my own family.
So, I tried to make it work. But the problem was those demons. The ones who "got even" for me. They kept reminding me that if my new "friends" knew about them (and what they, I, had done to even), then so much for their friendship. So, "Happy Joe" was just dreaming, or pretending to be happy.
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Post by LadyBlue on Jul 5, 2005 11:05:23 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]The Boogyman Will Get Ya--Blogging [/glow] So, I've been accused of molesting a little boy. Those close to me know I didn't do it of course, how could I, I'm not even a pedophile. Well, I'm not a psychopath either, I feel the full force and pain of everyone I have ever hurt, but that doesn't stop me from doing what I need to do. Ultimately my feelings don't matter, I learned that in prison. I have to carry out my orders or a lot worse than just me dying could happen.
[glow=red,2,300]Visit From Office Friendly[/glow] A freindly officer from the city police department just stop by to do their quarter "offender check" I did not bother asking his name. Each time they seem to add more and more to the check, this time they wanted ID and phone number. He also wrote down additional comments on the form he was filling out that I did not see.
[glow=red,2,300]Teaching The World To Sing[/glow] Each time I re-read what I wrote in Key West I understand a little more, and realize more what God has been trying to tell me for the longest time, and what I have been wanting to know for just as long. For instance, just now I realized the answer to a question I've been asking myself for years:
What can I do to get people to realize how everything is connected? Well, I just found the answer hidden in my own ponderings from that Sunny Sunday morning: Any attempt to make the world a better place imediately and directly interfers with God's Harmonic intentions. All answers must come in there own time, and God has the timing already figured out according to reasons infinitely beyond my own ability to reason.
So, there is nothing that I "can do," but instead I must continue to strive to give-in to God's Will, because it is through this "non-doing" that his Will can be seen. I'm growing a lot lately faster than I want at times.
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Post by LadyBlue on Jul 5, 2005 11:12:00 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]What Friends Are For--Blogging[/glow] A friend of mine pointed out that I spend too much time dwelling on my past (sex offense 25 years ago) and she offered this blog as evidence.
She said I was also very negative, likewise evidenced in this blog. Wow. She is obviously correct, and it bothers me that I hadn't seen this before. Not that I'm really negative inside, I'm really not. I love my life, and I love the world, and I believe genuinely that God does not make mistakes, so there is nothing “wrong” about the way things are.
I know from ongoing personal experience that my struggle to know the Truth is Gods gift to me! His gift can be acknowledge and recognized, but it can never be lost or possessed. So, I truly am a happy person on a level where being happy really counts. So, Thank you pretty neighbor girl for pointing out this sad impression I’ve been giving and allowing me the opportunity to amend my ways.
[glow=red,2,300]Cure For Crime[/glow] The only cure for crime is Love. Everything else is just more crime.
[glow=red,2,300]Criminals Are Victims Too[/glow] As long as we keep attacking the symptoms of social disease--the so called offenders--then our problems will keep getting worse. Some day (soon I hope) society will be forced to "wake up" and recognize how it propagates its own misery by denying the truth that criminals are victims too.
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Post by LadyBlue on Jul 5, 2005 11:24:39 GMT -5
As I sit here and read everything that I can on Shasta and Dylan, and their family, and the tragidy that has befallen them, and then also read Joe Duncan's blog, it all just makes me wonder about people, and about life here on this planet.
We go thru our days, wondering, searching, seeking, and the things that are in our own minds are all very similar things to what is going on in others minds. The need to be loved and accepted, the need to know what on earth put us here, and what do we do now that we are here. Whether good or bad, we will walk that path and still, yet, wonder.
I see that Joe talked about his prior offense to others, and probably in search of the answers that he needed to put his life into perspective, but it wasn't forthcoming, so he kept searching more, and kept on wondering.
And in all that wondering, he STILL let the demons take over, he permitted them to have their way and took Shasta and possibly Dylan. One has to wonder then, why, if as he says he knows that it's the wrong thing to do, and he knows and can make sense in his blogs, why then does he allow himself to be take over by those demons. Is it for the thrill, of knowing that he could get away with it, or this time, is it that he will see how far he can push the envelope, and then give up at the end.
I rather think that he gave himself up, he allowed himself to be in the position that he was in at Denny's that night. He was tired of trying to fight it, tired of the demons, tired of life in society.
And, one more thing from me before I stop and get off my soap box, God Bless you Dylan, where ever you are, we are with you baby, we are thinking about you, and praying that you will come home where you belong. And, if this doesn't end on a positive note, then may you be blessed in other ways in heaven. There is a reason, though we don't know what it is, but if you are no longer with us, then you are already well aware of the reasons. My love goes with you. Mystic Snow Angel
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Post by paula on Jul 5, 2005 16:03:27 GMT -5
The special cctv image shows Shasta the day before in a convenience store, she comes in with this man, and a family of children and husband and wife as happy family unaware that this child is the one on the poster.
This shows that the arrogance of reading a paper as Shasta makes full body language in the camera which she hopes the store will realise is her is heartbreaking., The normality of the man in the paper reading and his id of university education and affiliation were the tools he used. He started numerous websites which to a behavioural scientist categories each identity as to his acceptance at all levels. In finding these on the shasta and dylan site we find examples of learning. Only one person in a restaurant found that this was not normal.
The action she took would have included in behavioural science a back up plan had he started to leave with Shasta of normal cognition. I think she would have spilt a drink or food and had Shasta whisked away to clean up. But her calm and intuitive way saved her from another night where people did not 'see' her. To understand a monster as gestalt shows is being with one in its grip. That is a scene from survivors of which we engage in understanding of why? Forensic science shows that the mind of a sadist is indeed one where in place of pupils there is a dark satanic hole, no soul and not meaning.
My grandson came tonight safe in our care, of only five, and saw Shasta on tv. He listened and said 'granma, where is her brother'? And I explained. How does one understand distance and belonging in a child. This one memory from across the water is of one child loving another and sharing enough to know. He will ask me again tommorrow. We cannot protect them all. But wonder as to search engines as this man created many characters that would do as justification of his sincerity, and skill. For the love of Leslie Anne we continue to find those who are lost.
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Post by gestalt on Jul 6, 2005 7:44:48 GMT -5
Breaking news: Per Shasta: He tied up the family He took the children from the home in pickup, then switched to jeep, 3 campgrounds He repeatedly attacked the children www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161640,00.html Duncan past; details from Shasta on what happened: seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002359537_duncan06m.html----------------------------------------- Paula, you were so right about Shasta trying to get someone to notice her at the gas station. Also, there is a woman in the picture: FBI interviewing the sister of the perpetrator. ----------------------------------------- Clerk in gas station convenience store says he appeared clean-cut and relaxed www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5121125,00.html
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Post by gestalt on Jul 6, 2005 9:06:17 GMT -5
I'm thinking now that it could have been:
a criminal association with the older brothers that opened the door to a connection with Duncan.
just a thought
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Post by gestalt on Jul 6, 2005 9:26:58 GMT -5
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Post by Paula on Jul 6, 2005 16:10:42 GMT -5
He tied her hands so she could not write on cans and read newspaper as to what was going on as middle page, not front page, what is on that page with face on the right side. Mr Frosty's in UK means an icecream palour and note that they were at this place. Does this have a cone. Also there is a face that is similar to perps face on same page as Duncan, check it out. I think seeing Blogg he had to stay where we bloggers thought him not as university access meant he could see I had said Vegas and other perimeter areas forcing him into the central ground in case the family found Shasta. He had to know they were looking elsewhere, check IP's.
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