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Post by huntone on Jun 28, 2005 1:13:40 GMT -5
I was going to stay completely away from this circus. And a circus is what the Wichita authorities have made it, with their inept handling of all the murder cases involved. They made it such a circus one has to wonder if this is not the biggest, ugliest cover up since Watergate.
Anyone that has watched the June 27 reports of how Mr. Rader admitted guilt and threw out details would be blind not to notice how it appeared as if he was spoon fed this information as part of some sort of hideous miscarriage of justice.
BTK never spoke in the manner this man, Mr. Rader has. And while not trying to insult Mr. Rader it is apparent to me that he is not intelligent enough or educated enough to pass for BTK.
How can LE actually degrade themselves enough to accept this man as BTK. But worse how can the general public be blind enough or uncaring enough to let this miscarriage of justice continue.
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Post by jimamw on Jul 19, 2005 13:57:58 GMT -5
While I disagree that dr is not btk I'm having hard time believing he did all this alone,something about the way he told about the Oteros' murder seemed unsure of certain facts,first was the dog outdside when Joseph jr put him out or did Senior put him out after he was bugging him during the ensuing chaos?How did Joseph Oteroe Sr. put the dog out and not run to get help?Even if his ribs were bothering him I'm sure he would of thought of something to do while putiing the dog outside.If that is what happened.No way could hehave done all of them just by listening to his description he really didn't explain how he killed and tied them up and held a gun on them.He seemed to be struggling with that fact as he told his little bedtime story!
Yeah i know i'm going to hear all about if he had a gun ion his family blah blah blah,I don't think Joseph sr would not hav eseen an opportunity and used it,he could have run to the garage and got a shovel for crying out loud,it just doesn't make sense.Even dr the coward would not have been able to control a man who was trying to save his family broken ribs or not!Just my 2 cents,lol!
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Post by weepingwillow on Aug 7, 2005 15:21:00 GMT -5
Hello There,
I have been watching this thread for awhile now. I didn't want to be the first one to reply, as I am new here (came here for the thread on Zodiac - How It Began).
While I believe DR is the BTK, I agree, he may have had help.
Something that has bothered me, is when DR talked of going to the Oteros, and waiting outside, didn't he say that Junior was letting the dog out, and that is how he entered the home? But then later, he claims that he had Mr Otero put the dog out.
So who put the dog outside?
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Post by gestalt on Aug 14, 2005 8:11:00 GMT -5
Why is it so difficult to accept that one person can be capable of this?
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In the Groene case, for example, Shasta has stated that Duncan alone subdued her entire family.
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IMO: People get duped by thinking that these pervs are just going to rob them and leave--so they go along with being tied up. It's the old: "Do what I say and you won't get hurt." And, this was in the 70's remember? Well, the strange situations keep happening, don't they folks?
It's the very bizarre, outlandish intention of the perv that the victims don't even think about--and that is how these pervs can do this.
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Most people will discount a claim that someone is as perverted as Duncan:
For instance, I can tell you from personal experience that very few people will believe you--that includes LE--if you tell them that some very frightening person is stalking you.
Every excuse in the world is thrown out there to deny anything strange is going on.
So, it doesn't surprise me that one person could dupe a whole family.
And, frankly, I'm surprised and shocked that you say it couldn't happen. And, I'm going to go one step further and say, it makes me think you're being ridiculous to even put that out there: that Rader isn't capable of being BTK because he's not intelligent enough--when all of the evidence is there.
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As far as letting the dog out. Could it not be that the son let the dog out and brought him back in, leaving the door unlocked?
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Post by huntone on Aug 25, 2005 23:56:26 GMT -5
Gestalt your reasoning is always sound and you add points that we all need to keep in mind in these cases. So I always enjoy your rebuttals.
However, in this case what really frustrates and disappoints me is that without a true trial there is no real way to confirm who did what to who and when.
Like you my purpose in this thread is to cause people to think and reason all this through. I wish I could be as positive as you and believe what has been recently released but my skeptism and experiences with law enforcement cause me to remain a disbeliever.
And when I can give more attention to this site on a steady basis again, I look forward to your rebuttals of my statements.
The readers need at least two strong viewpoints to digest. please note that I have a lot of respect and admiration for you. I hope you are as respected offline as you are here.
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